It is not a direct nerf on cloaking as say a fuel bay would. It targets the incentive to AFK for hours on end. And is adaptable so CCP can play with the timing to find what works best.

I call that balance.

This part isn't something I would bet on. You can ask supercaps pilots how refundable their SP were.

I found a mistake.

And then the cloaker with level 5 to cloak with supporting skills come in and laugh and kills pimped out mining barges while your alliance mates scream bloody murder in their inability to catch the cloaker since the damn man is mobile and is using his wits.

So now you have to pay the support guys too, and the EWAR, What if all of these guys begin to get bored, since the "anticloakers" can't deal with the problem, and said problem won't appear since the support guys are around? You pay them more? What about a payout system for lost ships? How mutch money do you have left now? Will you have enough to secure a new system in the same way?

You know these things can go back and forth indeffenately since we are only basing this off on assumptions right?

You are using an excuse that will support your cause the most, as am I. I think its commendable that you believe that if something to work a bit againts cloakers is introduced then suddenly allainces will spring forth with every player in that alliance being of genius level against one normal cloaker, and that the cloaker then suddenly is in a hopeless position, and will get instadecloaked as soon as he enters a system.

From my experience in EVE some of the best players I have met, fought against, and with have been players that have been able to think outside the box.

But this is getting old. I have given a solution that will not even touch your cloak.

I want to deal with afk, witch is what is causing all these threads to pop up. And as I've said I have brought forth a solution that don't even touch cloaks, so you can cloak as mutch as you want to your hearts content without any form of countermeasure at all.

And when the reward no longer matches the risk, you make adjustments.

AFK cloaking for prolonged hours and popping in just to 'keep things lively' for long hours is no different than AFK mining in highsec. No risk, since this can be done overnight/long meals/Battlefield 3 matches; and yield a high reward. (don't try to argue that 'activity deprivation' isn't a gain for the intruding party)

The game isn't about 'safety', something driven home by the game designers and game players alike. it's about measures and countermeasures. Not having a 'countermeasure' of some kind to 'afk cloaking' isn't much different from saying you shouldn't be able to gank miners in highsec. A 'countermeasure' doesn't (and shouldn't) guarantee anything, it offers chance and opportunity.

AFK'ers shouldn't be 'guaranteed' safety, unless they're docked and plan on staying so. Cloakers or otherwise. Reward people who pay attention, mitigate those who cannot be noticed, and punish the inattentive or neglectful. Rules to live by in EVE.

Mmmm, botting. Just what the doctor ordered.

Indeed

I don't believe you understand my plan. If you are warping about you cant be detected period. If you are active those 6 "anticloakers" will have an annoying day indeed trying to find you.

But once you go AFK for an extended period of time they can uncloak you at your safespot. Then if you still have not moved by the time they finish their combat probing then you are a new clone by the time you get back.

Very simple and very balanced.



It is called retaliation for forum posts. And there have been instances where a main poster was either threatened with or gained an AFK cloak in their system for supporting or being against an idea.

This is obviously my posting alt.

No change will come to cloaking because players disagree, that my friend is a fact. Another fact is that one side don't want a change so they keep disagreeing. As evident by a lack of cooperation. But again I digress since I have come to agree that the cloak is fine. It is the afk that is not.

You can contunie to guess what it is I do in EVE as mutch as you want. And to the rest...ok... tmi.

I guess it is easy to take the same side as the popular. As it is just as easy to come up with the same counterarguments again and again without any spec wanting to try and come up with a solution that can be worked on or trying to work with what is presented.

Cute videos, I do like South Park.

And to the "troll word", it is because we guessed, quite correctly, that botting would be one of the first counterarguments to why the solution might fail. Thought I didn't think it would come that quickly, and not from you.

But this is getting personal so lets stop, I can even let you have the final word if you so desire.

I have read the issue. You worry about if a blip shows up they are going to go ape and adapt their tactics. That was the ONLY reason I amended the plan to include time on grid where you don't even show up as a blip. (Again targeting AFK here)

Everything else I read as an excuse to AFK.

Be fair, while they can't do anything offensively while they're cloaked, they can wait until a sufficiently juicy target rears its head. This fact, combined with the fact that they can't tell if or when they'll be targeted, means that no matter how much you whine about "these bloody threads", they'll keep cropping up until CCP removes cloaks.

Yes, I'm just saying that if a cloaker's access to local was removed, they'd just start using blue alts to provide intel, instead of using them as awoxers, so the end result wouldn't really be all that different.

Yes, very fascinating. What I was commenting on was the comment that it was such a good thing that CCP made a game where you were never ever safe. Except while cloaking in a safespot, that is.

That can be argued against if you're in SOV nullsec, but sure, add staying docked up to the list. vOv

And the chance of being found if you've at a safepoint should be ~nil, though.

And this because I commented on the irony of "thanks for making a game where you never feel safe" in a thread about cloaks.

As for intellicence, if you're the lazy and non-RP type, again you can just get an alt in one of the blue corps and get more intelligence for less work. You'd be surprised how easy it is.

yeah zim you can't beat him, he's batman

I could care less if my plan for giving balance to the cloaking system annoys you. And CCP doesn't blindly implement features just because it has many pages. They implement it because they can see on their server log after log of AFK, uncloak then cyno. AFK uncloak then point.

You have the logs themselves against you and the other AFK cloaking supporters. We could ask a former AFK cloaker to confirm what he did while he did it. But you would go on with your bs of "If he is AFK he cant harm you" Even tho the difference between the AFK and active is a second or less with lucky situations for them.

The AFK power itself is what needs to be addressed. And while we will never be able to convince you or ingvar or the others. I doubt you would be able to convince CCP that their own logs are incorrect on the matter.

The likely reason they don't talk about it much is because it is a big tough problem to crack. Some say the cloaking system is a mess of legacy code and while things like an AFK timer or cloak fuel bay might be easier to implement. Ideas such as mine that provide more balance and targeted solution are harder to implement.

n my opinion that is why AFK cloaking is abused so much. Because of the perception that CCP will never do anything about it because of the difficulty involved. However you better hope things don't get so bad that CCP says "Screw this" and implements a 100 line AFK timer bit of code during a team papercuts session. Because compared to my idea an AFK timer or fuel bay would be quite harsh a nerf indeed.

Do you seriously think CCP does not keep logs of activity within the game? u serious brah?

Do you think in a dispute they would let a victims screenshot determine the outcome when a log will tell them their connection was active at such and such time and that they took such and such actions at such and such times and related players were such and such distance?

What do you think they have the workers going over that data to access balance doing? Actually sitting in systems in GM cloaked craft all day to catch this stuff? If they dont have the ability to recreate any event that happened in new eden they damn sure have the important stuff such as ping status, module activation or deactivation, commands sent to server, movement commands and the like. Storage isnt an issue with the crazy low cost of media these days.

You can pretend CCP is too stupid to be running an MMO all you like. Yet they do have the logs and they do speak volumes more than any "AFK cloaking is balanced" argument.

Edit: That is why I gave my idea. And the reason it is being so vigorously attacked is because it is more than the usual "WAHHHH I LOST MaH HULK NERF CL0ak!!!!" thread. I Present an adaptable solution. not a demand for an autologoff timer or other crap that can affect things far outside of combat cloaking.

Epic trollthread is epic.

Just the fact that after more than a dozen pages ppl still take you seriously Endeavour and answer shows how strong your troll-fu is.

AFK cloaker cant be AFK to gather intel and open a cyno, but you know that, I dont assume you dont.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Forum_rules

The timing can be played with on Sisi. But you arent exactly having to hit it every few seconds. and the distance is small enough you are back in a short time.

When you answer the question "how do you know?", is when you know the answer to the question "why do you care?".

Don't be dumb.

Afk cloaking can be changed just fine without having to change local.

With my idea. Active cloakers can still find and kill idiots that don't watch local all the same.